Shirley on peace and economic prosperity that EU offers

Shirley Williams has been out and about campaigning for us to stay in the EU in the same way as she campaigned for Scotland to see in the UK. She took part in a question and answer session in Wales based around the question “What has the EU done for us?”

Shirley’s answer was clear. She talked about how the EU had secured the peace in Europe:

The main motivation behind the EU was to end wars in Europe after the horror of two world wars and for 71 years we have not had any wars in the territory covered by the EU governments,

She said that the campaign had become too personal and vicious, deviating from what actually matters:

One aspect of it I deeply regret is that it has been much too personal,” she said. “Much too bitchy and in many ways much too involved in one issue – that is, who is going to be the next Prime Minister of this country.

I think that’s a great pity as this is a very crucial issue – they have been few more crucial since the WW2. Whatever side of the argument we are on it is a travesty and a shame to allow it to become a slanging match between two sides of one party, which is essentially what it has become. The debate has been less impressive than it should have been and we have heard too few voices saying pretty much the same things.

Then she talked of the importance of being in on the discussions, working out with our neighbours how to deal with the huge challenges of the day – and cited the Paris climate change talks as an example of what can be achieved.

We can’t promise people a golden age but we can say if we stay in we will be involved in some of the most difficult global problems there are – we won’t be excluded….One of the great recent achievements of the EU was the astonishing outcome of the climate change conference in France last year where the French government fought for us to sign the first legal and binding commitment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Climate change has to be addressed and it is best addressed by a group of countries together, not just one.

Only by a group of countries coming together with a common culture you might be able to grapple with these issues in a democratic structure in which people are persuaded that they have to suffer a bit in order to gain a lot and, for me, that is the central issue. It is about who we as the human race addresses the huge issues confronting us, whether we can use the mechanism we have created for ourselves, the comradeship, the companionship and whether we are capable of living up to the concept of being a good neighbour

On the economy, she was clear that being in the EU had been good for us:

The debate is relentlessly about the economy – arguments on both sides are so exaggerated one can’t possibly take them terribly seriously. Nevertheless the economy has been the dominant factor The GNP rate in the UK has gone up by 103% since 1973 when we first entered the European community. Economically the EU has been good news for us – we have done quite well in seeing a steady improvement in most people’s economic standards.

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7 Comments

  • Rightsaidfredfan 12th Jun '16 - 7:41pm

    Julian Assange says vote leave so random European officials can’t arrest you.

    I agree, the European Arrest Warrant is an absolute disgrace.

  • “Julian Assange says vote leave”

    Remain should put this on posters everywhere. It’s their best chance of turning this disastrous campaign around.

  • Jayne Mansfield 12th Jun '16 - 8:32pm

    @ Rightsaidfredfan,
    Given that you were excusing what Nigel Farage said about attacks in Cologne and the safety of women, I am surprised that you feel that Julian Assange should evade criminal proceedings for sexual molestation and rape in a country with is as liberal as Sweden.

  • Rightsaidfredfan 12th Jun '16 - 9:34pm

    Sweden is not liberal, sweden is a social democratic nanny state without freedom of speech.

    Sweden Should promise not to send Assange to America and Assange should stand trial.

  • Jayne Mansfield 12th Jun '16 - 10:08pm

    Sweden’s extradition agreement with the US was signed in 1961 and then updated in 1983. It prohibits extradition for ‘a political offence’, or ‘an offence connected with a political offence’.

    Moreover, there are no charges against Julian Assange in the US.

    What is clear to me, is that you and those like you, who support Nigel Farage’s dog whistle comments about sexual molestation and rape, have at best, double standards when it comes to concern for the protection of women.

  • Denis Mollison 12th Jun '16 - 10:17pm

    Jayne – the Assange case is not as straightforward as you imply – see
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/02/why-the-assange-allegation-is-a-stitch-up/

    More generally, the European Arrest Warrant is a good idea with a major flaw that needs correcting.

  • Jayne Mansfield 13th Jun '16 - 12:02am

    @ Denis Mollison,
    I am sorry, but I think we have a different view on this.

    It was reported that on 18th August 2010, Mr Assange had applied for a residency permit to live and work in Sweden, to set up a base there for Wikileaks because it has laws protecting whistleblowers.

    Mr Assange as I understand it, is wanted in Sweden for preliminary questioning and prosecutors have had to drop some of their investigations because they are out of time. It is not for the person in the link you gave to set themselves up as judge in the case.

    The UN Working Group on arbitrary detention’ findings were branded ridiculous by the British Foreign Minister and according to the foreign Office were to be formally contested. I am unsure of the outcome , but I do believe that when two women level allegations, all efforts should be made to investigate them.

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