Sky News poll on Liberal Democrat leadership race: results

The key figures doing the rounds on the internet* are:

Nick Clegg: 56%
Chris Huhne: 44%
% members voted so far: 48%

 * Therefore either true, or not. Take your pick.

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  • COME ON CLEGG, hes got to win it. Best man for the job.

  • Last comment was left by Ned Lamb

  • Jonathan Davies 1st Dec '07 - 7:34pm

    The suggestion that 48% of members have already voted rings true. Experience of all member ballots is that most people who are going to vote do so soon after the ballot papers arrive.

    Anyone who hasn’t yet received their ballot paper should contact David Allworthy in Cowley Street. If you haven’t received a ballot paper by now some thing’s gone wrong somewhere..

  • 8 – unless you live in the North West region where 10% of the ballot papers can get lost in the post and they carry on regardless.

    Not to mention the very large number of members excluded from voting by other means

  • Hywel Morgan 2nd Dec '07 - 10:15am

    “If you haven’t received a ballot paper by now some thing’s gone wrong somewhere..”

    Is the Senior Returning Officer in the European selections saying that there is something wrong if people haven’t recieved ballot papers two weeks before they are due to be returned?

    This is inconsistent with the views expressed in the European selections that non-delivery of some ballot papers was something to be expected and tolerated.
    https://www.libdemvoice.org/euro-and-london-mayoral-ballot-deadlines-extended-1565.html

  • Given when leadership ballot papers were posted, if you haven’t received one now that means the Royal Mail has lost it, there’s an error in your address or there’s an error in your memebership status.

    In all three cases, if a member gets in touch with the Returning Officer, this problem can be sorted.

    There’s no inconsistency between that approach and that in the Euros.

    The difference in the Euros was that the Royal Mail’s strike meant that a larger number of ballot papers were lost in the post (though sadly, given the Royal Mail’s record, there are always going to be a few) and also that there were problems with (I believe) some replacement ballot papers also getting caught up in the fallout from the strike.

    Often one of the main problems with postal ballots is that members don’t know that they should have received a ballot paper and/or don’t know they can get in touch with the Returning Officer to sort out the problem.

    It’d be a shame if people make comments that confuse or disguise this point because they disagree with what should happen if there’s a Royal Mail strike 🙂

  • Hywel Morgan 2nd Dec '07 - 11:32am

    There is an (unstated) figure of acceptable non-delivery of ballot papers.

    There was also a (higher but also unstated) figure of non-delivery of ballot papers in the Euro elections.

    So that further confusion doesn’t arise would it be possible to know what these two figures were and whether any of the uses of the post for official services such as service of court documents were altered during the NW strike.

  • just out of interest, given the dire performance of the GPO at the best of times, is it worth looking at modernising our party’s democratic processes?

  • re 12

    there is a problem with an “acceptable” level of non-delivery – how does anybody know how many have not been delivered?

    Also, one of the problems with the Euros was not non-delivery, but late delivery. Mine arrived the day after the close of the ballot. Others arrived over the next 2-3 days.

  • Martin Land 2nd Dec '07 - 3:05pm

    Perhaps take a leaf out of the Government’s book? They use UPS, don’t they?

  • 16 & 18 you should realise that the Lib Dems exist for the purposes of electing Lib Dems not Tory or Labour.

  • Paul ‘The Machine’ Seery
    Glad to see you’re confirming something I’d always suspected … 😉

  • Cheltenham Robin 2nd Dec '07 - 9:00pm

    “16 & 18 you should realise that the Lib Dems exist for the purposes of electing Lib Dems not Tory or Labour.”

    That and we hate the Tories.

  • 21. Whatever party they’re in….(see Mark oaten)

  • Tony Greaves 2nd Dec '07 - 9:57pm

    This poll concides with my guess of the likely result. It will in my view be yet another example of how the members of this party usually make the wrong decision when voting for leader.

    You only had to see Chris on TV today to see why he is vastly better than Nick Clegg. But if members cannot see what is so obvious, so be it.

  • Tony Greaves 2nd Dec '07 - 9:58pm

    Why has this awful I want a referendum banner appeared under my comment?

  • Cheltenham Robin 2nd Dec '07 - 10:00pm

    23) That’s democracy for you – do you think we should abolish it Tony?

  • Angus J Huck 2nd Dec '07 - 10:41pm

    Tony Greaves wrote:

    “You only had to see Chris on TV today to see why he is vastly better than Nick Clegg. But if members cannot see what is so obvious, so be it.”

    Yes, Tony. Objectively that is the case. And that is why Chris is performing better among the members than he is within the Parliamentary Party.

    But there are two factors working against Chris which may not prove possible to overcome:-

    (1) The hyping up of Nick Clegg in the media.

    (2) The shafting of Chris Huhne by the party establishment.

    The reason for No 2 is easy to identify. MPs want an easy life. That is what Nick will give them. Chris would doubtless kick backsides and deliver the sharp side of his tongue if need be.

    No 1 is more worrying. Why are the media so keen on Clegg? Who is pushing this? Is it Murdoch? Irwin Stelzer? Cheney? The Project for a New American Century? Who?

    I fear that Clegg simply isn’t that good. He doesn’t communicate well, he waffles, he is vague. If he leads from the front he will take the party to the right. If he doesn’t, he will be another chairman, like CK.

    What kind of future is that?

  • Angus J Huck 2nd Dec '07 - 10:43pm

    Joe Taylor wrote: “Just out of interest, was this commissioned and paid for directly by Sky?”

    Which is owned by Mr Rupert Murdoch !!!!

  • Geoffrey Payne 2nd Dec '07 - 11:27pm

    Angus, I agree that Chris is the better candidate and someone who is fully on top of his brief. But in a competitive leadership contest where you decide you really want one person to win, it is easy to exaggerate how bad the other guy is.
    In this contest, that would be a mistake. Both candidates are good and should perform well as leader. If Nick employs the same people who wrote Ming’s last leadership speach – and why wouldn’t he? – I think he will be do well as leader.

  • Angus J Huck 2nd Dec '07 - 11:48pm

    Geoffrey Payne wrote: “But in a competitive leadership contest where you decide you really want one person to win, it is easy to exaggerate how bad the other guy is.”

    I don’t think Nick Clegg is “bad”. I just don’t believe he is nearly as good as he is cracked up to be by his supporters and friends in the media.

    I don’t even think Nick Clegg is a Washington stooge. It’s just that the big players in that part of town appear desperately keen he should win. And that bothers me.

    Nick Clegg is better than Charles Kennedy, he is better than Mark Oaten, he is better than quite a lot of people. But is he good ENOUGH?

  • In the Know 3rd Dec '07 - 12:17pm

    The writers of Campbell’s last confernce speech were:

    Ming Campbell
    Euan Roddin
    Greg Simpson
    Ian Wright
    Neil Sherlock
    Jon Oates and
    Ed Davey

    The Writers of Ming Campbell’s last but one conference speech were:

    Ming Campbell
    Euan Roddin
    Greg Simpson
    Ian Wright
    Neil Sherlock and
    Ed Davey

    Looks like Jonny Oates gets the ‘made all the difference’ toast –

    Remeber the last but one speech was the infamous ‘5 Tests speech’

    Just goes to show – the main difference in speech writing is most often DELIVERY

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