Daily View 2×2: 30 September 2009

Two big stories

Gordon’s speech to conference

It almost passed unnoticed in the blogosphere, but it seems Gordon Brown made some sort of speech yesterday.

As the Daily Express put it:

Brushing off reports he is a “dead man walking,” a deluded Brown gushed: “It’s our Britain that works best.”

Though Labour activists might prefer The Guardian’s take:

In a determined 59-minute speech to the party’s autumn conference in Brighton, the prime minister said the Conservatives had faced the “economic call of the century” and had called it wrong.

Polanski arrested

Roman Polanski had sex with a 13 year old girl 32 years ago, so is his arrest justice at last, or sinister victimisation.

The Independent reports the Swiss Economy Minister, Doris Leuthard:

The international outcry on Mr Polanski’s behalf implied that there should be a law for ordinary people and another for celebrated film directors, she suggested.

“The Americans strongly believe that the arrest of Mr Polanski is necessary,” she said. “That’s for them to decide. Switzerland is simply a state where the police functions and where we treat all people in the same way.”

Two must-read blog-posts

Iain Brodie Brown favours cutting Vince some slack on the Mansion tax:

I realise that there are a lot of bruised egos out there who thought they ought to be consulted. I suspect quite a few of them would have been happy to launch their own initiative without widespread consultation. … Jo Grimond who regularly tops polls as the best Liberal Leader was not adverse to confronting the party with a policy announcement.

Caron is less than impressed at Gordon Brown’s plans for teenage mums:

Brown’s idea s a shameful, desperate play for the Daily Mail vote. I hope that enough Labour MPs have the backbone to make sure that it never becomes a reality.

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  • The political question about Roman Polanski isn’t whether he is guilty (he is, and plead guilty at his trial) but over two further things:

    1) He was originally offered a plea bargain by the prosecution and entered his guilty plea on that basis. The plea bargain was then not accepted by the judge, and there’s been a long-running debate about whether there was any misconduct.

    2) He’s been in Europe for 32 years and hasn’t been arrested so far. Why now? Why is this an arbitrary decision and not automatic? It’s a process question rather than a guilt question.

    It’s pretty hard to see him as the victim, although he can probably justifiably claim that something weird happened in his original trial. For the rest of us, I think we would like to know why he’s been treated in such an odd way by both the US legal system and various European governments, sometimes in his favour and sometimes against. It’s a pretty weird situation that needs some explaining.

  • I’m going to play devil’s advocate and say that there’s no need to describe sex with a 13-year-old as rape since, by definition, a 13-year-old can’t give proper consent. But yeah, it is a weak description.

    Actually, having done some checking, the original charges of rape were dismissed (as part of the plea bargain) and he plead guilty to lesser charges of ‘unlawful sex with a minor’, so maybe there is a need to make a distinction after all. On a purely technical level, he’s never been found guilty of rape, though it’s not clear to me why anyone would make a distinction between the two (maybe they don’t do this any more?).

  • The only “sinister victimisation” here is what Polanski did to that girl.

  • A lot of the reporting I’ve read of the Polanski case is (at least from a legal standpoint) horribly confused, contradictory and hard to follow.

    However my understanding of it is that he was charged with rape but pleaded guilty to a (much) lesser offence. He then fled the USA before sentence. There is then some confusion about whether there had actually been a plea bargain or not.

    Therefore it seems to me that there are two possible grounds for extradition:
    1) As a convicted/confessed offender in order to be sentenced and to serve that sentence.
    2) To actually stand trial for the more serious offence (to which he has not admitted). There are issues around that regarding the length of time since the charges which might be an issue in extradition hearings.

    The rest are allegations (albeit IMO pretty persuasive ones). The testimony referenced above is just that though – it’s not been found by a court to be the fact.

    Added to which all of this case is looking at the laws of 1977 through the prism of 2009. IIRC child pornography was still legal in at least one EEC country at that time. Given the evidence above I’m pretty certain a plea bargain for a non-custodial sentence wouldn’t even be considered today.

    None of which detracts from the fact that Polanski is a pretty major sleaze (and IMO not a particularly great director either). There are some pretty embarrassing defences of him bouncing around.

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