+++MPs back 12th December General Election

From Guardian Live:

Boris Johnson’s wish for a general election on 12 December looks set to be granted after MPs voted in favour of it by 438 to 20; a majority of 418.

The prime minister had already defeated an attempt to change the date to 9 December – the only serious opposition remaining to his proposal – and the bill that seeks to implement a 12 December general election will now pass to the Lords, who are expected to wave it through.

Jo Swinson commented:

This general election will decide the future of our country for generations. It is our best chance to elect a government to stop Brexit.

The Liberal Democrats are the strongest party of Remain and will be standing on a manifesto to stop Brexit by revoking article 50.

This country deserves better than Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn and I am excited to take our positive, pro-European, liberal vision to the country as the Liberal Democrat candidate for prime minister.

* Paul Walter is a Liberal Democrat activist. He is one of the Liberal Democrat Voice team. He blogs at Liberal Burblings.

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  • How did the 9th get lost?

  • Richard Underhill 29th Oct '19 - 9:16pm

    438 to 20 was the vote at third reading.
    December 12 may appear symbolic to Boris and to the Daily Telegraph editor.
    What happened about votes at 16.
    One Labour MP from Cardiff said that Scotland and Wales have 16, 17 year old voters already on the register and he would not mind if the register is incomplete! so that such people could vote.
    Who wrote the amendment? Labour?

  • Paul Barker 29th Oct '19 - 9:58pm

    And we will get most of the Results on Friday The 13th.

  • More than just BJ and the torygraoh celebrating the PM getting his election on his terms.


  • Whatever your view of this winter election, now is the time to get behind Jo Swinson and save any criticism till after the election. Our future and the country’s future depend on us doing well. If you have issues then raise them behind the scenes.

  • John Marriott 29th Oct '19 - 10:30pm

    This could prove to be one of the dirtiest most vicious General Elections in living memory. Where I live there will be only one result and it won’t be a Lib Dem victory. What happens if we end up with another hung parliament? We still have Brexit hovering over our heads.

    It’s too late now; but I still reckon that we should have made the FTPA fulfill the purpose for which it was enacted. It just shows how naive I must be. Do we really think that reshuffling the pack and dealing the cards again will make things any easier? As they say in France; “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”.

  • There are no control experiments in politics. We’ll never know if Corbyn’s behaviour over the WAIB 2nd Reading was the beginning of letting Labour MPs pass it. I think on balance of probabilities it was. I think on balance of probibilities that meant giving Boris his election in return for droping the WAIB was the least worse option. Better to have the dice roll of a General Election than delay the inevitable by a few months. But it’s all shades of grey judgement about the least worst option in awful circumstances with no way of testing the hypothesis as there are no control experiments in politics.

    So I’m not critical of the leadership’s decision. I do however think the leadership should be very honest about it being a marginal call in an awful situation. This isn’t a strategic master stroke.

  • I hope once and for all that LDs/Lab/SNP/Green/PC can put aside tribal politics so that local electoral alliances can be forged in key seats to stop this dreadful, corrupt ‘government’ from causing further irreversible damage to UK. LDs must be proactive in this quest.

  • Sue Sutherland 30th Oct '19 - 12:48pm

    I think Jo and our MPs have played the situation very well. She has been very influential in trying to sort out the mess our country is in and we are punching well above our parliamentary weight. So I think Mick Taylor is absolutely right let’s turn off the automatic critical analysis we Lib Dems do so well and get behind the party giving time, energy, enthusiasm and cash.
    There is something going on at the grass roots of politics which hasn’t really emerged onto the national political stage and it’s turning conventional two party politics on its head. We’ve all experienced those massive swings which brought the Tories or Labour into power, when there seemed little we could do except fight to win a seat when the swing was against the incumbent and we were in second place. Well, I can see a swing happening in our favour. It started with the local elections, grew with the Euro elections and it’s still in operation. It’s the most remarkable thing I’ve seen since I joined the SDP in 1986.
    I know conventional wisdom is that you can’t apply local and Euro results to national politics because of the protest vote element. However, European politics is now UK politics. It’s a bit like the way the Poll Tax brought local politics onto the national scene.
    If you look at the polls you see an absence of a swing for the Conservatives and a decline in Labour support and we are doing OK. However we get much more publicity during a General Election and if we can fight a good campaign we have the opportunity to create a tremendous result.
    So, please, if you can get to a seat we can win please go. If you can’t please donate as much as you can to the campaign and don’t be misled by the 2017 results. This is our opportunity so let’s grab it and get our country back.

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