After all the earlier discussion about the People’s Vote campaign, Vince actually ended up speaking at their big rally at the Excel Centre this afternoon. 2500 people turned up at the rally which was co-hosted with Best for Britain.
Vince called Jeremy Hunt’s comments that there would be riots if we didn’t leave the EU “insane, inflammatory and dangerous.”
He said that we were moving closer to a People’s Vote, which was now even been talked about by Cabinet Ministers as a possibility.
Watch the whole event here – Vince is on at 8 minutes in.
Uplifting to speak to 2,500 people earlier at ExCel Centre, at mass rally for a @peoplesvote_uk. Your campaigning has turned a #FinalSay from a possibility into a probability. @libdems will vote down the deal this week. My speech here: https://t.co/kXBzL62gBt
— Vince Cable (@vincecable) December 9, 2018
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Interesting to see the much vaunted Betrayal of Brexit managed to garner 500 more people than a meeting in the Excel Centre. They lack the boots on the ground to cause problems, all they can do is rattle keyboards; truly a bunch of paper tigers.
So.… Vince, Caroline Lucas, an actor, a Tory, a Plaidy, then three – yes three – Labour MPs in succession, then a student (who I suspect may also be Labour), then Hezza. Ends.
leave voters tend to be older . Older people aren’t so easy to get marching about . This is why political “causes” tend to like youth wings On the other hand older people do vote more consistently. I suspect the Remain camp is heading for a Kinnock moment.
So the old will try to pull the young over the cliff Glen, that will not end well. As humans we look for scapegoats and when things go badly I suspect “The silly old fools, caused this, let them rot” will play very well. A recent poll showed younger voters are reluctant to pay higher taxes and as the old rely on them, well let’s just say a peaceful old age does not beckon for any of us.
@ frankie,
Unfortunately, I could not attend the counter demonstration against the ‘betrayal of brexit’ rally. I was delighted to see Gerald Batten, Tommy Robinson and their ilk, outnumbered.
The important point that I want to make though, is that it wasn’t a ‘pro brexit’ counter demonstration. It was an anti racist, anti fascist demonstration and I hope that if it is ever necessary to give a show of strength again, the numbers will be further swollen by decent people from both sides of the brexit divide.
Frankie,
Old people tend to have equity and so can pay for things. The young on the other hand have been priced out of the property market, have to contend with increased competition, are in debt up to their eyeballs, stuck on zero hour contracts, face a work until you drop future and have been otherwise disenfranchised by the political path favoured by people like your good self. Also it’s worth remembering that young people are just future old people so the consequences will not be pretty.
‘Older people aren’t so easy to get marching about.’ Really? Perhaps you weren’t on the People’s Vote march in October. One of the criticisms of it was that is was full of lefty’s from student demo’s of the 1960’s and 70’s reliving their youth.
Tony Benn used to be fond of making the point that Parliament should only borrow its power from the people. At the end of each Parliament it should be returned undiminished.
The Treaties of Maastricht and Lisbon did take powers away from Parliament and the people should have been consulted at the time and on each occasion. They were finally consulted in 2016 and they said no.
So that really should be that. You can ask them again if you like but I would expect you’ll get the same answer.
What powers were they then, mainly about trade and SIs concerning trade regulations. The people elect MPs most of them are in favour or staying in the EU and these are the representatives they elect in a democracy. If you have a referendum on the death penalty and it goes in favour, most MPs would overturn it as they would be against it. Not a single isolationist MP was elected in the last general election. If there were a second referendum, the vote may well go the other way as it should include 16/17 year olds. But it would still need to be a margin as in the Scottish Independence referendum as let’s face it with a 48:52 ratio the country would still be split. I would point out Leavers also wanted a 2nd referendum had the result been the other way round so remain are only doing the same. The party should stick to its guns and be more confident in spelling out the benefits of EU membership.
@Peter Martin
The leave campaign lied, made promises it could not keep, broke electoral law and did not present a true picture of life outside the EU. It was a con trick.
The future of this country should not depend on a con trick. They should be asked again now that the facts are clearer.
If that produces the same answer so be it.
I have been waiting patiently for the ‘meaningful vote’ and watching a procession of MPs putting on the record their intention of how individually they will vote. Three Ministers have leaked that the PM will delay the vote and will tell the Commons today afternoon. Some voters have been telling some MPs to “get on with it”. The PM will try to negotiate further with the EU Commission and, by implication, with the EU27, although France is not, currently, in good condition to participate.
The much-abused European Court of Justice has confirmed the Advocate General’s opinion that Article 50 can be reversed if a democratic process in the UK so desires, without input from any or all of the EU27.
Our candidate for Prime Minister is Vince Cable.
Not all pensioners have equity Glen and those that do may soon find how fast it eveporates when they have to pay for the services they require. Voting to be poorer has consequences, especially for those that lack mobility and the ability to work. You voted for a world red in tooth and claw, old people don’t fare well in environments like that.
Frankie
I think you’re just indulging in an age related revenge fantasy. It’s what you hope will happen, but it won’t. The young will probably mostly vote for the more socialistic Labour than either the Tories or the Lib Dems.
@ David Becket,
Yours seems a very partisan account of what happened. The Remain side has always found it difficult to promote a positive vision of life for the UK in the EU. The argument was something like “If you think things are bad now, just wait until we’ve left!”.
And when that was shown not to work you fall back on the kind of “we wuz robbed” argument – beloved by all football supporters.
Can’t you think of anything good to say about the EU? Tell us how much better off the French, Greeks and Italians are from being in the EU for example? 🙂
Peter Martin 11th Dec ’18 – 12:28pm……………………Yours seems a very partisan account of what happened. The Remain side has always found it difficult to promote a positive vision of life for the UK in the EU. The argument was something like “If you think things are bad now, just wait until we’ve left!”…………..And when that was shown not to work you fall back on the kind of “we wuz robbed” argument – beloved by all football supporters…………Can’t you think of anything good to say about the EU? Tell us how much better off the French, Greeks and Italians are from being in the EU for example? 🙂……………………..
You are being rather disingenuous. You can, as I have, look up the advantages….
However, on the question asked in your last sentence, the answer is simple; none of them are trying to leave…
@ Peter Martin
I have no intention of entering a debate listing the many benefits of the EU. Here are some of the major ones.
Worlds largest trading block, giving clout when dealing with others
Free trade within Europe
Development of industry across borders
Peace in Europe, in conjunction with Nato
Free movement of people, in the main a benefit
Cross Border Security
Environmental Co-operation
And as expats said, the countries you quote are not in a hurry to leave
I could go on, but as you will not be convinced, I will not waste my time