8 Comments

• Rsf7 20th Feb '16 - 1:03pm

  Unless the stay in side can show how they will make mass immigration from Eastern Europe work for those at the bottom I predict the working class will turn out on mass and vote to leave.

  I think that secretly all mainstream political parties and the political establishment despise the British working class, even the Labour Party who are supposed to represent them. This is why when the working class communities were flooded with Eastern European immigration that put pressure on housing, certain schools and certain types of jobs the political class couldn’t have cared less, but they would not have casually disregarded any other section of society that way.

  It’s also why when politicos want to use discrimination to seek balance in parliament such as all women short lists they are always in favour of targets that include sex and race, but never class.

  And this is the working classes chance to stick it to them 🙂

• John Marriott 20th Feb '16 - 1:57pm

  Forget about the hardcore ‘remainers’ and ‘outers’. You need to work on the large number of undecideds. Despite what some may think, David Cameron has done a half decent job of getting what many of us want so let’s not copy snake oil salesmen like The former Scottish First Minister and try to rubbish it. The cynical might conclude that he is hoping that a Brexit vote might justify another Scottish Referendum. Corbyn’s latest comments do not help either. So, let’s use the Cameron ‘deal’ to work on the undecideds and stop trying to gain perceived political advantage out of the referendum campaign.

  An area the remainers need to explore is how the outers view the United Kingdom in the first half of the 21st century. From their statements I get the impression that they still think that it’s the 19th century, when we were THE undisputed world power. That really hasn’t been the case since WW1.

  Granted, we are still a powerful nation. However, if we were a welterweight boxer, you could argue that we are capable of taking on a cruiserweight; but never a super heavyweight. The late Dean Acheson was right in his assessment of us back in the 1950s. Having lost our empire we are still searching for a role. That role, to my mind, lies in our being an active, constructive and yet critical member of an organisation, whose direction of travel does need readjusting. With the Cameron ‘deal’ that process has begun. If you think he is isolated, just listen to the comments of the Italian Prime Minister. In the words of Barack Obama, “Change is gonna come”. If the remainers just adopt Nick “about the same” Clegg’s tactics, they are going to lose the vote.

• Lorenzo Cherin 20th Feb '16 - 2:58pm

  Rsf7

  Not convinced you are correct when you say , despise, its too strong .

  John, indeed, please see my comments on Carons posting breaking the news , Friday nidht, would welcome your feedback as I feel very strongly a certain tone shall win , another, lose !

• Philip 20th Feb '16 - 6:14pm

  Michael Gove (current government minister): “As a minister I’ve seen hundreds of new EU rules cross my desk, none of which were requested by the UK Parliament, none of which I or any other British politician could alter in any way and none of which made us freer, richer or fairer.” – http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/michael-gove-why-im-backing-leave/

• Anne 20th Feb '16 - 9:22pm

  They have played a blinder. Putting several of the most despised and unpopular ministers in the leave camp. Now who wants to align with Grayling, Duncan Smith or any of the others? Clever but it does not fool us all.

• Alistair 21st Feb '16 - 8:55am

  Dear Tory party, thanks for trying to cripple our manufacturing base again… thanks – A. Voter.

• Roland 21st Feb '16 - 12:21pm

  Can someone convince Jeremy hunt to support the Leave campaign – I’m sure many, including many thousands of junior doctors, wouldn’t want to be seen to be agreeing with him… 🙂

• Igor S 21st Feb '16 - 4:05pm

  I think Mr. Gove and that staunch defender of the working class’ rights, mr Smith are enough.