Conference calls for our parliamentarians to reject Secret Courts

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At most conferences there is at least one debate which proves how different we are from the other main parties. Different because we entrust Conference to decide party policy, in open debate, even where that may be at odds with the views of our parliamentarians.

Today’s debate on the ‘Secret Courts’ motion was a good example. The full title was F41: No Government Above the Law – The Justice and Security Bill.

This motion, submitted by two local parties, called on the Coalition to withdraw Part II of the Justice and Security Bill, which would empower Ministers to allow civil hearings and trials to be held in secret where national security is at risk of being damaged. Under this Bill neither the public nor, most significantly, the other party in a case, would have the right to see the relevant evidence, so would not be able to challenge it.

The motion also called on all our parliamentarians to press for the withdrawal or defeat of Part II of the Bill.

An amendment had been submitted which did not call for withdrawal of the Bill. Instead it said that closed material proceedings (ie secret courts) should be allowed as a last resort.

Several senior and well respected MPs and peers spoke in support of this amendment, including Jonathan Marks QC, Jim Wallace, Tom Brake MP and our Chief Whip Alistair Carmichael MP.

They argued that the Bill should be amended not abandoned, because some rare cases justified it. There was some discussion about the Public Interest Immunity system, where decisions about sensitive materials are taken by a judge. Those in favour of the amendment claimed that this system was not effective.

Even Julian Huppert MP, who is not known for meekly toeing the party line, spoke in favour of the amendment.

Ranged against them were Sarah Ludford MEP, Paul Strasburger from the Lords and several party activists, many of whom claimed that this was an issue that tested our commitment to civil liberties.

Robin Meltzer said that these principles are fundamental to who we are as Liberal Democrats.

Sarah Ludford memorably declaimed:

Nick Clegg said we should distinguish those policies we would die in the ditch for from those we could compromise on. Please jump into the ditch on this one, Nick.

Conference was not convinced by the supporters of the amendment and it was defeated substantially, quickly followed by overwhelming support for the main motion.

 

* Mary Reid is the Monday Editor on Lib Dem Voice.

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5 Comments

  • I’m really pleased that the amendment was defeated and the motion was passed by such a huge margin. And I wasn’t too happy that one of the justifications given for the Bill during the debate (by a LibDem whip, no less) was that this would save money on detentions and mistrials!

    I don’t care how much civil liberties cost – any price is a price worth paying. Without them, this country is nothing. And without a commitment to them, this party is nothing too.

  • Hi Mary, As well as the two local parties of Beckenham and Islington the motion was supported by 12 conference representatives. And, I’m very glad to say, more importantly it was overwhelmingly supported in the conference hall!

  • Here’s hoping the parliamentary party will respect the “overwhelming” wish of conference.

  • It is beginning seem thatt there is very little that Nick would die in a ditch for, except maybe shoring up the Conservatives. Maybe Andrew Duff was right all along about him!

  • Quite funny that the BBC has managed to find a Lib Dem sporting long hair, beard and cannabis tee shirt to illustrate this story.

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