Lib Dem MPs react to the Budget

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  • Kyle Harrison 28th Oct '21 - 2:48pm

    New Comres poll: 53% approve of the budget.

  • Barry Lofty 28th Oct '21 - 2:54pm

    I would suggest that a good percentage of the population would not have understand half of the conjuring tricks that successive Chancellors pull on the country every year!!

  • Barry Lofty 28th Oct '21 - 2:55pm

    Sorry ” understood “.

  • John Marriott 28th Oct '21 - 3:04pm

    Shouldn’t that headline read; “Female Lib Dem MPs react to the Budget”? Is it a case of the “sisters doing it for themselves”? Oh gosh, I’m getting to sound like Philip Davies MP! What are the fellas doing (besides Sir Ed, of course)?

  • @John Marriott. Why? What has gender got to do with it?

  • Mark Valladares Mark Valladares 28th Oct '21 - 4:48pm

    @ John M.

    Perhaps it’s because the Budget refers directly to their portfolios?

  • Mark Valladares Mark Valladares 28th Oct '21 - 4:50pm


    It’s funny how, surprisingly frequently, what superficially looks like a good Budget turns sour once the analysts have dug into the detail. Let’s see how popular it is in a month’s time…

  • Brad Barrows 28th Oct '21 - 6:07pm

    @Mary Reid
    I think it likely that male Liberal Democrat MPs are just as likely to give their reactions to the budget as female Liberal Democrat MPs. Therefore it does seem odd that the article only features comments by female MPs. I suspect questions would be asked if only comments from male MPs were quoted, so John Marriott is absolutely right to ask the question. (And to answer your specific question, gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it. )

  • John Marriott 28th Oct '21 - 6:48pm

    It’s the ‘optics’. What concerns me, and, it would appear people like Brad Barrows, is that, as I said, to borrow that Eurythmics song, “sisters are doin’ it for themselves”. Haven’t Messrs Carmichael, Farron and Stone anything to add? They appear to be sending Sir Ed out to bat on his own!

    If you are unfamiliar with the song, let me remind you of a few of the lyrics;
    “Sisters are doin’ it for themselves
    Standin’ on their own two feet
    And ring in’ on their own bells….”

    Don’t get me wrong, ladies. I applaud your verve and fighting spirit. After all, as the song states; “…behind every great man/ There had to be a great woman.”. Now in the modern Lib Dems the rôles appear to have been reversed! So, come on chaps, stir yourselves before it’s too late!

  • David Blake 28th Oct '21 - 6:52pm

    Can HQ tell us in detail what coverage of Liberal Democrat views there was on the main news bulletins and the news discussion programmes? We often seem to be invisible.

  • Nonconformistradical 28th Oct '21 - 7:44pm

    @John Marriott
    “to borrow that Eurythmics song, “sisters are doin’ it for themselves””
    Eurythmics duo wrote it but don’t forget Aretha Frankiin sang on it as well.

  • David Evershed 28th Oct '21 - 10:00pm

    All the party tweets call for increased spending but also complain about higher taxes.

    Increased spending, higher taxes – you can’t have one without the other.

    Lib Dems need a coherent policy like we did with Vince Cable.

  • David Evershed 28th Oct '21 - 10:28pm

    56% of Remainers approve of the Budget.

    17% pf Remainers disapprove of the Budget.


    Why are Lib Dem leaders are so out of touch with their own supporters? Are they in a Westminster bubble.

  • @Brad Barrows et al – actually I did look up Tim Farron, Alistair Carmichael and Jamie Stone when putting this together, and none of them had posted anything original about the Budget.
    But please – this kind of whataboutery (look it up) has no place in Liberal debate.

  • John Marriott 29th Oct '21 - 8:59am

    @Mary Reid
    I guess that’s 1-0 to the girls, then? All credit to them. I feel inclined to the view that, unless they are careful, men appear to be heading towards the ‘endangered species’ category as far as the Lib Dems in Parliament are concerned!

    Sorry to disagree with your final comment; but it’s the ‘optics’, as I said at the beginning that people notice. As for “Liberal debate”(sic), shouldn’t that be written with a small ‘l’? Come to think of it, what IS “L/liberal debate” anyway?

  • The Budget is essentially about ritual. The Chancellor expects a good press on the day of delivery (delivering a speech that is). The next day the analysts have got stuck into their interpretations. And on the third day the Institute for Fiscal Studies makes its pronouncement. Then we lesser mortals think about our campaigning over coming weeks and months.

  • @Ian Shires
    the world, those less fortunate in our society than us, those with chronic illnesses and disabilities which prevent them from working, are treated as pariahs who sponge off the State claiming benefits the rest of us have to fund?” Does anyone treat those people in that way? Can you cite anywhere in which a mainstream political party or mainstream politician has described people with disabilities in that way? And if so, can you provide a link?

    Why is it that in the very same budget Rishi Sunak felt the need to hand the banks a £1bn-a-year tax cut?” He didn’t hand them a tax cut. He increased the total corporation tax they pay from 27% to 28%. Check out the discussion in href=

  • Denis Mollison 29th Oct '21 - 2:27pm

    @John Marriott 8 of our 12 current MPs are female. It’s a very welcome change in gender balance from our embarassing long history as a party that was in principle in favour of gender balance but never came near achieving it. As recently as 2015 we had no female MPs.

  • John Marriott 29th Oct '21 - 3:02pm

    @Dennis Mollison
    Yes, it IS a welcome change. However, I often look at articles on LDV from the point of view of a neutral observer and, from what I often see (the ‘optics’ is, I believe, the current fashionable word), it would appear that it is the female Lib Dem MPs, who are clearly making most of the running.

    Mary Reid, for whom I have the utmost admiration, more or less admitted that she did not seek out the other three Lib Dem male MPs for a quote in order to show a bit of balance. I don’t know much about Mr Stone; but Messrs Farron and Carmichael are usually good for a quote most times.

    In the scheme of things, my comments probably don’t amount to much. However, I’m glad to see that I’m not entirely alone in my opinion. Could this actually be an example of the “L/liberal debate’ to which Mary refers?

  • @ John Marriott. You misquote me. What I said in my comment was: “actually I did look up Tim Farron, Alistair Carmichael and Jamie Stone when putting this together, and none of them had posted anything original about the Budget.” In fact, all they had done was to retweet others.

  • John Marriott 29th Oct '21 - 4:26pm

    @Mary Reid
    I did not use the verb you did, because it was clear that, from my understanding of ‘look up’, you must have done a quick trawl of social media in general and the twitterati in particular. What you didn’t appear to do was try to contact the three gentlemen in question directly for a quote.

    If you did try unsuccessfully to contact them, I apologise. Believe me, my comment was made not to mock but to draw attention to how the Lib Dems might come across to those who are not as yet committed to any political party or philosophy but may not be happy in supporting a party where the gender imbalance is skewed strongly a particular way. I’m sure some diehards will take offence at my remarks; but would draw their attention to the nature of the platform on which this ‘debate’ is currently taking place.

  • John Marriott 29th Oct '21 - 4:29pm

    @Mary Reid
    And have a nice weekend 👍😀

  • Helen Dudden 29th Oct '21 - 5:06pm

    As I write further on housing, and the problems with Housing Associations adding additional charges for sheltered housing. The cost of the new fire alarms with one Housing Association is Bath has jumped.

    I’ve asked like many others, for more transparency on the role of Housing Associations and charges.

    We are living in difficult times with Ricketts not unheard of, who would have thought that I would be commenting on children having enough of the right food to eat. 70 years ago, illness like polio and TB were more common.

    With the cutting back of some benefits for the most needy in our society, heat or eat.

    If only the insulation of homes was a more logical argument, then there would be more interest. Its miserable to be cold and hungry for children and adults also older people.

    I watched a zoom meeting last night given my the local Libdems in Bath. Impressed by the ideas that flowed, we all care about those less able to cope.

  • Nordic countries rank high in the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Report. Their budgets focus on the drivers of economic growth which are world-class education, social programs, and a high standard of living. These factors create a skilled and motivated workforce.
    These countries have a high tax rate. But they use the revenues to invest in the long-term building blocks of economic growth.
    Rachel Reeves focuses on some of these aspects in her FT article Reeves:
    “Delivering on the green transition presents enormous opportunities for Britain — creating new markets, attracting investment, leveraging in private finance and giving businesses the chance to lead the world. But this is only true if we act now, and act at scale.
    Labour would meet the challenge head on, investing £28bn of capital spending in Britain’s green transition every year of this decade. This isn’t just about the moral case, but the economic one as well. According to the Office for Budget Responsibility, failure to act on climate change will mean the costs mount up for subsequent generations. If action is delayed by a decade, the price of getting to net zero will double.
    As a Labour chancellor, I would also put in place measures to help us buy, make and sell more in Britain, boosting British business while filling the gaping holes in the government’s Brexit deal, especially in financial services, creative industries, farming and fishing.
    These plans are crucial because lower taxes and higher spending on public services is only sustainable when it goes hand in hand with growing our economy.
    In contrast, Wednesday’s budget contained no such ideas or commitments to the jobs, skills and sectors of the future that are crucial if we are to help businesses thrive and to create sustained growth. We needed a plan to tax fairly, to spend wisely and grow our economy. This government failed to deliver it.”
    This is where the LibDems need to be in economic policy. Promoting green business investment and coupling environmental responsibility with Nordic style competitiveness and improvement in living standards across the population as a whole.

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